cliff, the fact is there is no way out of these issues without compromise. but i do think we will see compromise on something like immigration reform because demographics, the republicans as well as the democrats recognize that there has -- they have to show some support for immigration reform if they are not going to in the case of the republicans. lose the hispanic population permanently to the republican party. so the president has already shown willingness to compromise. and all of the data shows that republicans are the party that has moved further to the right and the democrats have moved to the left, although both parties have moved to the extremes. so i think we are going to see the president, because he won the election, being tougher rhetorically about not compromising, although saying that he is open to compromise in order to see how far the republicans are willing to move. >> we are taking this interview in the middle of the so-called fiscal cut debate. how do you see january 1st -- how would you like to see january 1st, but? >> well, it was clea